February 2, 2008
“All in attendance will bow at your presence…”
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In the wake of President Gordon B. Hinckley’s death, an amazing quote by Boyd K. Packer has been making the rounds on the internet. It goes something like this:
You were generals in the War in Heaven and one day when you are in the spirit world, you will be enthralled by those you are associated with. You will ask someone in which time period they lived and you might hear, “I was with Moses when he parted the Red Sea,” or “I helped built the pyramids’” or “I fought with Captain Moroni.” And as you are standing there in amazement, someone will turn to you and ask you which of the prophets’ time did you live in? And when you say “Gordon B. Hinckley” a hush will fall over every hall and corridor in Heaven, and all in attendance will bow at your presence. You were held back six thousand years because you were the most talented, most obedient, most courageous, and most righteous.
Amazing, eh?
The only problem: Boyd K. Packer never said it. The only time any Church authority has ever repeated the quote, it seems, is to refute it.
The first time I heard that “quote,” it was attributed to Bruce R. McConkie, and mentioned Spencer W. Kimball as the prophet whose time the subject lived in. I admit that I believed it, or wanted to believe it. After all, who wouldn’t want to think of themselves as among the most talented and righteous of all of God’s children?
My belief in the statement began to wane, however, when I heard it attributed to both Henry B. Erying and Boyd K. Packer. Shortly after I returned home from my mission, a short statement by President Packer ran in the Church News refuting the statement.
I do not doubt that most of the propagators of this mythical quote had anything other than the best intentions in repeating it. Nevertheless, I’m amazed at the persistence of such falsehoods among the LDS people. I often wonder if the propensity to accept religiously-themed urban legends among Latter Day Saints is greater than it is among the general population. I mean, who hasn’t heard the tale of the sister missionaries protected from a rapist by three hulking angels? Our pioneer ancestors had their own folklore - the ever persistent “Three Nephites story.”
Why do we do this? I think that maybe, just maybe, it is an expression of our longing for proof of our specialness and uniqueness. As Latter Day Saints, we claim to be a unique people: the people to whom God has entrusted the care of his “one and only true church;” the only people to whom God has revealed the Priesthood and temple ordinances.
I don’t think this tendency is unique to Mormons. Other religions have their tales of miraculous healing or speaking in tongues (as we do, of course). Whether or not these stories are true, their spread illustrates, to me at least, the need we all have to feel that we are members of an elect group; that we are indeed, God’s chosen people.
I love the stories that spread among our people; even the completely-fabricated ones. My hope, however, is that we’ll spend more time trying to actually be God’s chosen people, and less time believing we are because so-and-so once said we are.
February 2, 2008 at 10:29 pm
I heard this quote several months ago and have been prayerfully searching for it ever since, so I could quote it right to my teenage Sunday School class. After asking the Lord again to help me find it, if it is a quote I should use, I found this site. Now, I know that it is not something not to pass on. I am grateful you had this site to set the record straight. Thank you so much!
February 12, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Thank you! I have always suspected it was bogus. It’s great to have the Church News link confirming that.
February 12, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Other than perhaps some statements in patriarchal blessings, any nearby mention of “You,” “This Generation,” and “War in Heaven/Pre-Earth life/Pre-Existance” is automatically dismissed by me. I didn’t even read past the first sentence. I love the doctrine of pre-mortality, but I hate the “Saturday’s Warrior” mentality it generates. Too often it comes off as Calvinist pre-ordained.
February 13, 2008 at 7:48 am
For a great discussion of much more recent Mormon urban legends, revolving around the September 11th terrorist attacks and the war in Iraq, see this article from about a year and a half ago — it not only retells and debunks the stories, but also talks about why we tell them and how it hurts us.
February 13, 2008 at 8:19 am
There are some other LDS FPR debunkings here.
http://shields-research.org/Hoaxes/Hoaxes.htm
February 13, 2008 at 10:11 am
That quote always cracks me up…”a hush will fall…” Good grief. But we’re still special, right? RIGHT?
February 13, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Another common LDS rumor is that Einstein said that James E. Talmage was the smartest person he ever met. I had the opportunity to interview Talmage’s youngest son John (then 85) in 1996. I asked him about the rumor and he said it wasn’t true. I also checked at Princeton (but not Rutgers) and I have been through the Talmage journals and never found any reference to Talmage ever meeting Einstein. I mentioned this in a fireside I did on Talmage and one guy said “But I heard it from my mission president.” I said I was sorry but the rumor wasn’t true, and then he said “But now he’s a Temple President.” We LDS love our rumors and find it ahrd to let them go.
February 23, 2008 at 6:54 pm
I received this same quote 4 years ago. Now our YM stake presidency is still sending it around. It is sad really